My Jeopardy populace,
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| Founders of Natal Indian Congress |
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| With his M.K. Gandhi Attorney Staff |
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| In Birla House |
Let’s get in to the issue of untouchably;
Gandhiji was a leader of masses & he knew how to take people out from their
houses & work for freedom struggle. Even today he is treated as god after Ambedkar
from “Harijans”. What was his contribution for them? He didn’t give his
complete support to Ambedkar to lead constitution committee when it was planned
to made. As per sources in 1932, Gandhi collected 1crore & 32 lakh Rs for
“TILAK SWRAJ” fund, which was planned to utilize for improvement of Dalits in India.
There is no proof for spending that money on DALITS. Ambedkar felt Gandhi was undermining Dalit political rights
& described him as "devious and untrustworthy". Did Gandhiji open any door of a Hindu temple in Gujarat
for Untouchables? I am proof less; it was Ambedkar who initiated reservation
for dalits or untouchables in Constitution only for 10 years (planned up to
1950-1960) then it became a political mantra for the political parties who can
sell themselves for populism.
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Gandhiji was a revolutionary but if we see
things clearly most of Andolans & Satyagraha he made has draw backed by him.
For example Khilafat movement 1919
(he did not originate the All-India Muslim Conference) which was started by Muslims
for their safety for religious leader called “Caliph”. Ottoman Empire had lost
the 1st World War & it created fear in Islam World. Gandhi who was struggling
with his weak position in congress used this opportunity & became a spoke
person to attract Muslims. With a huge support he became the first mass leader
with multicultural base by 1920. His power in congress was highly increased
within a short span. What happened to Khilafat movement later? It collapsed without
any support in 1922. Did Gandhi use Islam movement as his own? Let’s take his Non-cooperation
movement; it was a peaceful national protest which both Hindu & Muslim shared
their hands against British Empire. When Jallianwala Bagh Massacre happened Gandhi
criticized both British and the castigatory violence of Indians. Is this a way
how leader should behave when his innocent men were killed in the hands of
Butchers? British Raj celebrated this by saying “Suppress of Mutiny”&
fooled world historians. What Was Gandhi’s answer? In 1922 though Non-cooperation
movement was a great success all over India he called it off just for one “Chauri
Chaura” incident. Did he know how many Indians were killed; how many people
left colleges, Schools, jobs, Government offices? What was their future? They
were poor Indians who had a dream to live in Independent India. Was “Chauri
Chaura” was the only reason to call of Non-cooperation movement? Was there any
other political Interests? Why was he arrested after calling off the movement? Was
it hoax he agreed with British or did he feared to stay out?
In 1934 as Congress
was broken with the internal clashes of leaders like Chitta Ranjan Das, Motilal
Nehru & C Rajagopalachari and Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel. Gandhi left of
congress without convincing them. Did he
walk out of politics as he felt powerless in Congress? Hundreds of questions
were unanswered & people around just used him as a trump card for their
selfishness & it is continuing even today. Martin Luther King Jr says "Nothing
in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious
stupidity." Story remains incomplete as no one is alive to answer &
History is always blind. There is lot more write about Partition & his
death & Independence in next “Issue-Two”.
Wait for the End…
Gandhi is treated like god in India,he do not deserve it. i am waiting for the next issue. you can open the history box. I did not heard of Natal Indian Congress and gandhi did in south africa. it is informative
ReplyDelete@Hariganga: For me Gandhi is great man not the God. I'll try my best to open the box of history as you have mentioned. Thank you for your Comment
DeleteHating Gandhi is dangerous in india be careful
ReplyDeleteDear Anonymous,
DeleteThank you for your concern. Before writing this post I have read much about Mahatma Gandhi & I have secondary proofs for whatever I have written. I have just mentioned some information here for basic information what he did in SA & it's boring (2nd Paragraph) but my next will be Feast to read.
@hariranga-gandhi did many mistakes i hate him for those..i agree with his assassination..but he also did something nobody else could do..bringing whole nation of hindus and muslims is not a simple task..we would have got freedom in same yr even though gandhi didnt attend meetings.but he deserve respect for wat good he did.indian people dont get into streets unless d one has some power in him..
ReplyDeleteHis assassination was not acceptable for me. "Eye for Eye" is not humanity. What ever he have done Killing is not the end. But his assassination made him more powerful after his death. I have a brief things to write in my next post. Partition of India was the Foolish decision & act. His Murder is a book to write.
Deleteआप को बधाई सरगांधीजी मेरे रोल मॉडल था लेकिन दक्षिण अफ्रीका के बारे में मैं कभी नहीं पढ़ा. अधिकांश भारतीयों इतिहास नहीं चाहते और उन्हें पढ़ा नहीं है. मैं वास्तव में सोच चौंक गया था क्यों हम अपने आंदोलन के बारे में हमारे राष्ट्र पिता "किया था के बारे में कभी नहीं अध्ययन किया. मैं आप के लिए आभारी हूँ
ReplyDeleteThank you इंदु चोपड़ा. I will write little more in my next post about Gandhi in SA. History is needed to everyone & for all times. India have a great history & we have best Historians But we are loosing grip to give the same to our next generation.
DeleteGandhi wurde großer Mensch. dachte er nicht Gewalt, um Menschen wie ich gehört habe. Wenn er in seinem System war kraftvoll, er würde Führers getroffen habe und dachte, ihn nicht Gewalt und würden gestoppt Weltkrieg nicht, indem er für die britische Armee zu haben.
ReplyDelete@Deutsch: I am not clear what you have written even though I used translator. I think you are telling Gandhi would have stopped World war 2. It was Impossible task. Hitler & his Axis were roaring from every end in hunger for blood. Though Gandhi was powerful in India,He never grew in International Politics.
Delete@surendra - an eye for an eye is not humanity?then you dont support bhagat or azad for their doings?eye for an eye is surely a very much needed theory.you cant be so naive..with all those blunders,what did you expect from patriots?to workship him or to kill him?
ReplyDeleteHav some respect for Gandhiji.He did not kill any people. he was not deserved to be killed ike that. don't think like RSS think like an Indian
Delete@Manoj: Killing is not the only option. For me His assassination was meaningless. What else he would have done if he was alive ? It was like closing the door after the loot. There were many other options but our So called leaders failed to utilize the resources just like present situation.
DeleteThere was fight between Gandhiji & Ambedkar. Gandhi has fought with everyone. you hav not mentioned jawaharlal Nehru name anywhere but his fathers in last. are you a congressman? will you support nahru? congress is the reason for poor status of india. there is no power in future nor was in history. it was a Transgender party and is
ReplyDeleteDear Aswathi Shreyansh,
DeletePlease think Gandhi as a human being. He was Just like us who makes mistakes & mistakes makes man perfect. He fought with many leaders including his own Favorited men in congress. Jawaharlal Nehru is the disaster of India & the main qualification of him to be first PM because he was rich & his father Motilal was one of the powerful men in Congress. I am not supporting any party. This is just a self counselling what our country made us to study. It is common tendency to blame the ruling party for everyone& we blame too. It's not easy to control the whole country. You will defiantly read about Nehru in my next post. Please revert me after. Thank you
@anonymous - dude..he didnt kill any by his own hands..i know tat..but he could have saved thousands of bhagat's followers as well as bhagat who didnt support ahimsa..who is responsible for partition?gandhi was also one of the main strings for the partition..hence all those what happened after partition goes to gandhi as well..u must surely belong to islam.hence you bought name of rss in this comment..anybody who question the system or a person belongs to congress?u dumb..go study history books of govt..tat suits you..
ReplyDeletei'm not belong to any caste. i'm an indian. i'm living in it. killing gandhi was not the end. i hate jinna for braking india. i have read history and teaching it.there should be limit to blame someone. gandhi was not the only reason for everything.
DeleteQuestioning the System is our Right. Bhagath was the great man. He revolted against British wildly after the death of Lala Lajpat Roy. He himself surrendered to British after the blast as he was fluent in English & explained "What Indians are" In British Raj Court. He would have escaped from his Death but he wanted the "Veer Maran" & became inspiration for many. I don't think that Gandhiji had power to save him or British was not in position to hear him. Even though He met Viceroy He would have made negotiation on Bhagath for Something or Death sentence was Final as they declared him as Terrorist. Gandhi never tried to save him saying Non Violence Principal.
DeleteI don't understand why people say RSS is against system. They are not terrorist or terror group. Vajpayee took India to its glow while he was in power & same RSS supported him. It is also one of The active organisation in India
@aswathi - nehru will be taken into account in partition part i guess..he played a major role during that.i am sure author will cover those in his next post..
ReplyDeleteYes Monoj, I'll write about Nehru in partition of India. But I won't go too deep. It will be a big story & I'm fed up of reading bad about him & you are the right person to explain him. Now ball is in your court.
DeleteSaya tidak tahu gandhi sebanyak yang Anda. Anda orang mengatakan dia besar dan beberapa menyalahkan mereka. dia baik atau buruk? ia adalah orang yang berperang melawan Inggris berarti ia mengambil negara dari tangan mereka.
ReplyDeleteMs.Kade
Singkawang, Kalimantan, Indonesia
@Ms Kade: Thank you for your comment. I'm awful that you are commenting about our Country's great man & your support for him. I'm not understanding your comment properly. Please comment in English if possible.
Delete'n paar vergelyk Gandhi hier aan Nelson Mandela.Hy was nie so groot nie.net Indiërs ken hom goed.Gandhi het vir besigheid hier nie vir ons vryheidstryd.Ek weet nie enigiets oor die Natal Indian Congress.Hy het gekom en het geen nut vir ons
ReplyDeleteNigeria
Lagos State
We cannot compare Mandela & Gandhi as both were of different stream of struggle. I really appreciate you so that you have commented from "Lagos" second fastest growing City from Africa. If possible can you please collect any native news about Gandhi while he was in SA & send me?
DeleteI find and email u
Delete@anonymous- dude.even a child in india knows rss is a hindu community.you bought up caste and says u r an indian first.blaming anyone who questions indian system is termed as rss lately.do u think following d trend makes u an indian?u say u r teaching history and misleading students.just following government books makes u an indian?read my comment clearly.i said gandhi is one of main strings in partition.jinnah cant achieve anything without internal support.and tat person is gandhi.
ReplyDelete@Manoj: Just wait for next Post'S'....
ReplyDeleteNadig, there are plenty more topics left to write about gandhi. don't finish it in 2 pages. write till its core. this is very good try.
ReplyDeleteSir,
DeleteI have much more to write about him but I have some respect about him. He is the Father of Nation & I do not want to spoil his Image. Today itself nobody cares about History. Patriotism is buried dead body & we have very less inspiration to give for our next generation.
surendra if you read "Gandhi Behind the Mask of Divinity" & "Gandhi Under Cross Examination" books by G. B. Singh it ay be helpful for you. write about his bisexuality. don't fear let the world know what the father of nation is & his personal life. this Ibn & telegraph link may be useful.
ReplyDeletehttp://ibnlive.in.com/news/book-alludes-to-gandhi-as-racist-bisexual/147365-40-100.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/india/8410318/Mahatma-Gandhi-racist-and-bisexual-claims-new-book.html
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/uknews/9252893/Photos-of-life-in-the-British-Raj-in-India-are-found-in-a-shoe-box.html?frame=2214136
http://www.mkgandhi-sarvodaya.org/booklist/bk123.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1370554/Gandhi-left-wife-live-male-lover-new-book-claims.html
You may know this stuff but try to present as much as possible. good work
Mr. Chidambaram
DeleteI have read about this things & do not want to write this. I don't want to scrap Mahathma's Image as he is the Icon of our Country. Whatever "Gandhi and Kallenbach" Love story may be.. I won't make it to reach common Indians from my side. I read Synopsis of "GREAT SOUL" by JOSEPH LELYVELD, & many anti- Gandhi Books too. we have very less inspiring people to give example for our next generation. I don't want to spoil the BIG one. Sorry, Sorry & Sorry again.
What is problem here? Gandhi founded Congress but sacrificed congress fand power for the country.he left everything for his country even his puberty.This man is great.you people are arguing foolishly
ReplyDeletei agree.every man's past will be seen in many angles.indian history uses one model,critics use one model..the author of this post is using one model of theory.
Delete@author : sexuality is not related to what a man does outside.keep his personal things aside.you have said about movements what gandhiji started.you may have referred to articles or books stating what you wrote.but can you verify the truth of those references?if it was a certain truth,why would indian people follow a model as presented by government.none of man's history is pure unlike fantasy stories.
Ha Ha.. Dear Sirisha Gosh, For your info Gandhiji was not the founder of Indian National Congress. INC was founded in 1885 in initiative of Allan Octavian Hume. Mahatma Gandhi was 15 year old & had his First Child in this Year. His Father Karamchand Gandhi (1822 - 1885) Who was Diwan (Chief Minister) of Porbandar also died in the same year too. Many people think Gandhi founded INC but it is one the oldest political party of India which has internal democratic system which is followed even today. Why are you talking about Puberty of Gandhi? If I explain you briefly the situation will be highly different from now & please Don't ask me to explain as I have decided not to write about his personal stuff. You can Google that If you need.He didn't left Congress actually but Congress was suffering by internal politics & they neglected Gandhi.
Deleteafter believing a certain model of theory which speaks about gandhijis negatives,are you going to tell your next generation what they were meant to be told?when speaking of great man write all the theories about them.there are 3 more such theories making news.all have books articles.stop being biased.when every country glorify their country why do indians always degrade indians.we dont know situations that lead to final events gandhiji took part in.gandhiji having support of people he cant take decisions as you propose him to take.there are things to consider.please be matured enough while posting.a bad post for an indian.a good post for foreign national
ReplyDelete@ Md Ansari: Whatever the History May be It may be Foreign or Indian; It's a story written to make us believe some Glorification. History is nothing but Making Heroes. Being an Indian I don't hate Gandhi or India & I cannot. History is based on facts & facts we know is false. According to my Audience Statues Statistics This is the post most viewed/ Read by Indians & I wrote for Indians to make understand what our heroes are! I have just questioned the matter what we follow as tradition. Please read my next post I'll still go briefly while questioning.
DeleteIs this in reference to Alan Esquivel's side project "The Gandhi Jihad Revival"?
ReplyDeleteNo I haven't read "The Gandhi Jihad Revival" & I didn't heard of It. I'll try to read it. Thank you for comments.
Deletea fantabulous post by branded indian.a successfull extraction of those branded indians and historians.with internet in a computer if you can fetch these much information what about indian historians with authenticated documents with them?as co-commentor ansari said,there are various theories about mkg.indians who studied history as per documents concluded mkg a fine man with ideals.branded indians with half documents concluded otherwise.with half a country behind mkg,he took best decisions at that time sir.every decision will find to be bad after some yrs.kya aap kuch behatar kar sakte the?aapne poocha post karne se pehle?mkg sexual desires did not hinder his decision about struggle.i am a librarian with better knowledge about mkg and beloved english generals.i have studied all theories and concluded myself satisfied with mkg.dont post unless you have seen authenticated documents.radicals post about india for fun.please dont follow that path.
ReplyDeleteDear Vikas Amte,
DeleteI have not mentioned anything his sexual life anywhere because Gandhi is Ideal for many people for Moral sex. As you go deeper & deeper The History what we are reading is baseless. Even Our Independence Day is rubbish Fiction. Why to read thousand fiction documents? We cannot determine what is right & what is wrong. We can't say who is truth & who is Lie. Indian documents glorify Congress like it brought Independence to India. It was a fact-less, It was a show off from congress men. I have read most books written in favor of Gandhi including his Auto Biography many times. I loved that book which say some good principles like humanity & I have taken into my life. We have Independence to Speak & write & its our right of express our Ideas & I have given my try.
dear manoj, indian is not a brand it is stature.history books have been finalised after indian historians have researched for years about history of india.there have been many partitions within india.are you able to stop it from dividing?when a state within a country cannot be stopped mkg should have done better to stop partition of a nation?author said movements to have been taken back without effect.did those radicals provide solutions which indeed made changes in 1920-1947?crores of indians have studied mkg history.if nobody wrote about it it can mean they have found a better theory.
ReplyDelete@Vikas Amte: It is not how you mentioned; Many Historians wrote articles, Books about Gandhi's true facts. But our Gov't has abolished & black marked those books & never let a single damage to congress. Actually Gandhi left congress & Congress neglected him when Mountbatten entered India. Research has been done by many but it is still in the shadows. There was Better theory you asked. Partition of India is Black spot of Indian history & I'll write in blog about this. Please Read "Men who killed Gandhi" by Manohar Malgonkar if you have not. What research is needed more then that?
DeleteGood attempt ! :D Despite many of his shortcomings, none can deny that Gandhi was a power, had the power to influence masses. When people say the role of non-violence preached by Gandhi won freedom for us, it's only partially true. The revolutionary path followed by Bose and the likes had its contribution too. For instance when Bose formed INC and started re-conquering India, the British were scared. If he were not have died that fateful death, perhaps he would have won freedom for us way before Gandhi
ReplyDeleteagree.many fighters came forward after gandhiji started accumulating masses against colonial rule.bose was a revolutionary but gandhiji had made many damages before him.bose provided support from other fronts.His strategy of noncooperation his assertion that we can be dominated only if we cooperate with our dominators and his nonviolent resistance inspired anti-colonial and anti-racist movements.india was confused between partition and non partition.it prolonged gaining independence for 2 to 3 yrs.but bose made his mark in the time he could.along with bhagat,azad,bal,pal and many more fighters who died.
Delete@Dhruva: Thank you for your comment. As you said Gandhi was the face of mass & its a fact. I am mentioning something different which was never said before openly in my next.
Delete@Md Ansari: Gandhi was not the person who started accumulating masses against colonial rule. Rani Abbakka was the first Indian ruler who revolted against Portuguese & it continued till the first war of Indian Independence in 1857. Non- Violence & non-cooperation movements were also held by Dadabai Novarooji & Gopal Krishna Ghokale (Gandhi always called him Guru) & many others before Gandhi joined congress. But Gandhi took these movements to masses & became popular.
DeleteThere have been movements against colonial rule from the time indians realised it effect.mass could not be gathered like mkg did it & mass remains super power in struggle and movement.if leaders before mkg succeeded mkg would not have entered the fray.questioning decisions after a hundred yrs is very easy than to decide when at those time which makes mkg a fine man.
Deleteauthor : not every banned book is authentic not every author is bound with only truth.i have been through memory lane of men who shared mkg movements sharing as events unfolded.come down to national library in mumbai & delhi to get more authenticated books and sharing."I am mentioning something different which was never said before openly in my next." really never said before is it?Malgonkar book have was answered by local writers through books which are at libraries down here
ReplyDeleteauthor : nahi mr.surendra nadig independence bakwas nahi hai.usa wahi kar rahi hai joh england kiya tha.indian democracy was a new system to be employed.thousands of mass have come across these things before where you dont stand first to exploit history.what is it you can with questioning history based on articles and books?radicals can only say what you are saying.change people with present not the past.aap toh pehla aadmi jaisa feel mat kariye sir.aap kisi ek mulk ka example deejiye wahan history sach hai.aap jaise log the,rahenge india wont change criticizing india.
ReplyDeleteI cannot explain anything which can change History. Everyone has made an attempt to say something with the facts & figures they get & with the analysis & research they do. I am trying to do the same. I agree that what you have mentioned above is true. There is no example to give that History is True. Every History is just a Tale. Its just a story to enjoy. But what about people who believe those great personalities? Are they made fools? Americans are the people who created idiotic tales about there wars & they exaggerated themselves as great heroes. People follow there leaders blindly in past & present too. I am not Historian or Politician nor an Educated about great personalities. I was just a common Indian Citizen who believed Gandhi & his non-Violence brought us Independence. We need to question our-self before doing something or to believe in anything. I want to give some of my own Findings & it may be treated wrong by world but its my thought. I cannot force you to believe the same. But Indian govt Did this & it made us to study foolish Tales; Its like Study what I give not more then that.
Deleteagree sir.but its country we are speaking about not a tale.a country is built on history and like it or not,protect it.what you have extracted from internet now is already on books studied by many people than you imagine.come down to nationalised libraries and gothrough books where you will change your nazariya about history.history is true of every nation with minus important facts.a nation and government ruling it will have responsibility to sustain certain level of patriotism and they should do it.no common indian citizen believes mkg was only fighter responsible for freedom where they know he was a pillar who pulled all strings together to form a cohesive base.
Delete"Gandhi collected 1crore & 32 lakh Rs for “TILAK SWRAJ” fund, which was planned to utilize for improvement of Dalits in India. There is no proof for spending that money on DALITS."
ReplyDeletehistory ko bharosa karna chahiye.hum rama ya krishna ya allah ko nahi dekha.phir bhi bharosa karenge.jaise hi india history ko bhi bharosa karni hei.mkg was not fighting for untouchables alone ambedkar led the fight.mkg was a part who couldnt respond well to ambedkar structures.mkg united people under his era not bifurcated them based on caste religion.mkg not supporting ambedkarji is not what you dont anticipate to ensue
@vikas amte - hello sir..history is always based on facts and not belief..if u want to believe history,it can be twisted in any given way as per their needs..there have been proofs abt ramayana and mahabharatha which is enough evidence to believe..unlike a few parts of history which dont have any..
Delete"It collapsed without any support in 1922. Did Gandhi use Islam movement as his own?" i have a query with this quote sir.how do you suggest mkg gained support from all communities without a stiff foundation?mein pehle se isi baat keh rahaan hoon many theory about mkg and struggle emerged by radical historians and they based it on confiscated information.if mkg use it for support from muslim community it helped for next 20 years in very good way which i feel changed course of freedom struggle
ReplyDeletevikas amte you are telling to live in dark. freedom is everyone's right and to understand how india got independence. Gandhi used Muslim power for his crown. he was the reason for thousands of death, rapes and many lost their famlis and assets in partition. keep your books safe in your own library. books are bullshit.it is written how they want and truth is false. app ko kaise patha vo kitab mi sach lika hi? we need truth sir not tales. then what is difference between past and present politicians? all corrupt
ReplyDeletearey Dr.adqurah kisi ek ko ungli dikhana chodiye na.jinnah,nehru,angrez sab,aiml responsible the partition ke liye.mkg fasting karne ke baad hi jhagda control me aaya.i dont say mkg took right measures to stop partition but every living soul in congress and aiml was responsible along with british in india.sab kuch bhigad gaya us waqt.aap koyi depth me book pade toh pata chalega ki sabhi log usme the.sach nazariya pe badalta hai actual facts pe nahi.partition was a good decision according to congress and aiml but bad according to latest views.a view changes with time and people and you very well know that sahab.india got independence with power and unity and unlimited sacrifices made where every fighter took a wrong decision when you see it now but we dont know how situations forced them to take any such step.
ReplyDeleteThe poem inspired Gandhi:
ReplyDeleteFor a bowl of water give a goodly meal;
For a kindly greeting bow thou down with zeal;
For simple penny pay thou back with gold;
If thy life were rescued, life does not withhold.
Thus the words and actions of the wise regard;
Every little service tenfold they reward.
But the truly noble know all men as one,
And return with gladness good for evil done.
Good article . I am waiting for The end
ReplyDeleteSurendra you have written a super blog here. there are people in history who are made heroes unnecessarily. we support you here at our best to take out truth. write what is in your mind without condom. we are feed by condom writings from our birth & we automatically hate reality.
ReplyDeletewriting next or not ? got feared ?
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